About this Episode

I can't even begin to tell you how many times perfectionism kept me on the sidelines of my own life. For example: If I didn't have time and energy to give 100% to a workout — I decided to not workout. If I didn't have enough money for a wardrobe overhaul — I didn't buy myself any new clothes and kept wearing clothes that made me feel bad about myself. If I didn't have the money to go to weekly therapy — I decided I wasn't going to go at all. Perfectionism — also known as the all-or-nothing mentality — will keep you stuck, sad, and overwhelmed by a very rigid life where your own mind is the dictator.

I have personally done a lot of inner work over the last 10+ years to release perfectionism and the all-or-nothing mentality, and it has helped me big time with learning how to respect what I have in front (whether that's my time, energy, money, support systems, etc.), and make the most of it. Where perfectionism used to always tell me that my circumstances weren't perfect enough to take action, my flexible mindset helps me do what I can, make the most of each day, and be compassionate towards myself when it's not “perfect.”

Making this shift for yourself and healing the perfectionist in you will enable you to take up more space in your life and feel more empowered and in control of your choices. So, are you ready to ditch your inner dictator and live a more flexible and free life? If you answered “yes,” you're gonna want to listen to this week's new podcast episode: 3 Tips to Overcome Perfectionism. The tips I share in this episode are gonna shift your thinking and change your life!

In this episode, you’ll hear:

Why perfectionism isn't a personality flaw—it's a survival strategy you learned, and understanding where it came from is the first step to loosening its grip
The impossible standard that's quietly setting you up to fail every single day (and what to aim for instead)
Why "good enough" isn't settling—and how chasing the perfect version of everything is actually what's keeping you stuck
The one-pie framework that finally makes it click: you can't do more than you have time and energy for, no matter how hard you push
How the all-or-nothing mindset is stealing real progress from you—and the shift that helps you show up for yourself even when conditions aren't perfect

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Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] Hey everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. Thanks for joining me today. I'm so excited to talk about this. S perfectionism is something that affects a lot of women for a lot of reasons. I mean, I think largely society demands perfection from us to how thin we are to how straight and white our teeth are, to how big our boobs and butts are.

To how smart we are, but not too smart. How wealthy we are, but not too wealthy to threaten, you know, the opposite sex. There's a lot of pressure and something I wanna examine today and talk about today is how perfectionism prevents us from. Enjoying our lives and living our lives to the fullest and keeps us stuck in cycles of feeling like a failure, feeling like we're not good enough, and just overall feeling like crap.

So, um, yeah, let's dig into today's episode. But before we dive in, remember. Two important dates if you're not signed up already. I have a free workshop on my weekly [00:01:00] wellness check-in. This is my 15 minute weekly journaling practice that I use and my clients use to help prioritize their health, happiness, and wellbeing.

I've been using it since 2019. My clients have been using it since 2020. So it is a very effective, uh, way to take care of yourself and not let your wants and needs fall to the back burner. Um, that's on April 4th, and the link to sign up for that free workshop is in the description. The second important date is enrollment opening for my coaching program, the No Longer Last Journey Coaching program.

This is my 12 month long program that has classes, reflection guides, a private community that's not on Facebook, and monthly coaching and community calls where we journal together. I answer your questions, you share what's coming up for you, and I help hold you accountable to your goals and help you adjust them as time goes on.

Because what you put down on the page in the first month is definitely not. What's gonna be supporting you and helping you in month 12. So if you're interested in going deep with your self-care this year, highly recommend that you join the coaching program. Enroll opens April 5th, [00:02:00] and that is the only week that I'm gonna be sharing a special discount and a bonus if you join during that week.

Alright. So let's dive into today's episode. Perfectionism, why is it that I wanted to dig into this here. If you notice the last few episodes have been kind of on this theme, taking you to a pro through a process of like, okay, I'm burned out and I wanna get to a point where I have a no longer last life.

What does that entail? And one of the things that's absolutely involved in creating a no longer last life is learning how to overcome perfectionism. Why? Because. It's one thing to get really excited and motivated at the start of a new journey, at the start of a new year, at the start of a new commitment to yourself, you're all excited.

You're gonna change your life. Then motivation dies out, not just because of time passing and the feeling going away, but also life lifeing, like kids getting sick jobs, being stressful, things going wrong, fighting with your partner, things that drain you, unexpected things, a job loss, an illness, a death in the family.

Life is lifeing [00:03:00] and all of a sudden you don't know how to handle these ups and downs and also find a way to stay committed to. The self care that you wanna need for yourself so that you can be no longer lasting your life, right? There's no way to create this like perfect insulated bubble wrap container where you get to set your goals for the year of how you're gonna take care of yourself, and you get to just do them every day, every week, every month, without anything interrupting you, right?

We know as mothers, this is not possible. This is absolutely not possible. So one of the biggest tools. In your toolbox to sustain your self care and to be flexible with your life is learning how to , identify, and uproot perfectionism from your life. Because it is perfectionism that tells you that there's only one version of success.

And that version of success has to look a very specific way. And if it isn't that, then you failed and, and, and because the pain of failure is so painful, a lot of times people will just stop trying [00:04:00] altogether. It's the all or nothing mentality that is fueled by perfectionism that causes women to start and stop, and start and stop rather than having this approach of flexibility and, fluidity with like their goals and their intentions and how they approach their self-care plans with the rest of their life responsibilities. So I am gonna be sharing three ways to reduce perfectionisms, hold over you so that you can have a more flexible mentality with yourself, your life, your goals, and this is truly gonna help sustain you.

Granted, when I work with clients everybody does have to have like a different unique menu of things they need to do. To help them sustain their self care. But when I was thinking about what's the one thing that I tell every client? What's the one thing that I work on with everybody, no matter their circumstances, their capacity, the resources available to them, it is perfectionism.

I haven't worked with a single person, including myself, who doesn't struggle with this. So I really think that if you apply [00:05:00] what I'm gonna share it in this episode, it's gonna help you see more sustainability, meaning more consistency with your self-care. So that you can actually do it over the long run and see the benefits and make progress rather than always starting and stopping and feeling bad and ashamed and like a failure.

so let's dive in.

The number one tip here is to know your perfectionism origin story. A lot of times we wanna just take the shortcut and go, oh, I hate that I'm such a perfectionist. It always gets in the way, but I don't know how to overcome it. It just kind of is there, Ugh, you know, there is more to it.

There's more to it. It's deeper. You know me, we're always going deep and that's what I love to do in the coaching program is like, let's just not talk about like the problem, but like where it came from. Because you're not this problematic person that just was born with all these problems. Like you were programmed into this, you were conditioned into this society pressured you into this.

There's a reason why you're a perfectionist. So what's your perfectionism, origin story? Why did you become a perfectionist? In what ways did being a perfectionist serve you? I know for [00:06:00] me and many of my clients, it was a way of self-protection. Being perfect, kept us safe at home. Being perfect kept us from getting in trouble, being perfect.

I know for me helped me stay in school because I was a scholarship kid in high school and I was a scholarship kid in college, and if I had less than a 4.0 GPA, I was gonna lose scholarship money and have to go back to an environment I never wanted to go to again. Being a perfectionist wasn't all bad.

I mean, yes, it was really intense and the pressure was a lot and it burned me out eventually, but it also protected me from some worse stuff, right? So if you just show up hating your perfectionism, feeling embarrassed about your perfectionism, you're not really giving it the space it needs to like tell you where it came from and maybe like show some respect and kindness and compassion to that version of you that did so much and sacrificed so much to be perfect because.

It kept you safe, right? And then once you figure that out, you can start to determine like, okay, am I in [00:07:00] this situation anymore? Anymore where I have to be perfect? I know I'm not, I'm not in college. I don't need a 4.0 GPA. I don't live in an environment anymore where I have to be perfect nor to not get in trouble.

Another aspect that we don't talk about enough is trying to be perfect as a way of, of gaining, people liking us and acceptance, because we're all subject to the same societal messaging that tells us that being perfect is what we should all be striving for. And so when you put off that perfect aura, perfect hair, perfect nails, perfect teeth, perfect house, perfect kids, not a hair out of place, not an outfit mismatched, we're like, oh, this is gonna give me belonging.

This is gonna give me acceptance. This is gonna put me at the top of the social. Totem pole, but you end up sacrificing a lot. You're not being your authentic self. You are busting your butt trying to keep everything and everyone perfect. You're putting a lot of pressure on your kids to behave and act and appear a certain way so that you can be the perfect family.

I remember [00:08:00] growing up in that space and needing to present a perfect image at church and spending the entire weekend. I'm not kidding you. Selecting the church clothes, washing them, ironing everything, laying them out so that we can all be crisp, pressed and clean for church hair done. Church socks on shoes, shiny and everyone admired that so much, but nobody heard the yelling, the screaming, the stress, the crying, the tears over the whole weekend to prepare for this.

Moment in the sun at church in the pew. Okay. So there are so many reasons why people engage with and pursue perfectionism, and it's really important to know why you do it. Because then you can decide, wow, that's absurd. Or you can decide, wow, I don't need to do that anymore. Grateful to my past self for, for striving like that.

And it will, that awareness alone will give you some distance between. The urge to be perfectionist and then [00:09:00] actually acting on it. The awareness makes you realize that you're about to engage in a perfectionist behavior, and it gives you the space to ask yourself, do I want to proceed or do I want to let go?

This is really important because a lot of us are operating on autopilot. This is not like a choice. This is neurobiology. Like 90% of our brains are like autopilot, and we need that because we can't possibly be thinking about every single thing we're doing at all moments of time. This is part of why the healing process is so exhausting, because we are increasing our awareness and we are decreasing our autopilot mode.

So it's hard. Give yourself grace and patience. But yeah, once you have your perfectionism origin story in your awareness, you're like, oh, that's a perfectionist behavior. I don't need to be like that anymore. I don't need to do that anymore. I know growing up for me, I'll give this one example and then move on.

My mom hosted the most incredible potlucks and parties and I, I don't host those. [00:10:00] And even though I want to, because I love having people over, I love connecting with people and not and bringing community and, and I realized I was avoiding it. Because I was trying to be perfect. I was like, unless I can have the right.

Dishware, you know, 'cause I like have some stainless steel bowls and some boring Tupperware. Like I don't have the beautiful like dishes and platters. I live in a small apartment. My budget for those things is minimal to zero. I don't have the energy or the capacity to plan big parties. I live in a small space.

I could go on forever. And I have been currently working on that, realizing that. I have a perfectionism origin story there and that origin story that perfectionism is preventing me from doing the thing I want, which is have community around, which is my form of brilliant self-care. It nurtures and lights up a part of me that I need community friendship.

So anyway, you could have a lot of these origin stories and it's important that you unpack them one at a time. Not all at once, but one at a time. Because once you increase your self-awareness here, you're able to increase. [00:11:00] The space between thought and action, and you can become more in control of what you're doing and whether or not it's a perfectionist behavior, and you get to decide in that moment, is this serving me or is this hurting me?

And then go from there.

Number two is remember that it is impossible to be perfect. I know that this seems super obvious, but I am shocked at myself and the number of people I work with who are trying to attain. A literally impossible standard we're, when you're trying to attain an impossible standard, you are basically setting yourself up to fail every single day.

And then there's nothing more demotivating than feeling like a failure, than feeling like you're never good enough and now not. And no matter how hard you try. You can't achieve what you're trying to achieve. That's a horrible feeling. That's demotivating, that's exhausting. That zaps your energy. It takes a lot of energy to change your life.

It takes a lot of energy to go against [00:12:00] culture and society and choose yourself. And here we are wasting our precious energy trying to attain an impossible standard. So I know it sounds obvious, but this is really important when you're trying to overcome perfectionism is remember. Perfectionism isn't real.

Perfection isn't real, it's not attainable. There is no such thing as being perfect. Maybe we can try to generate it with AI and create it. But it's really not possible in real life. So yeah, I have had to learn. Okay, well what's the alternative then? The alternative is defining your goals and ambitions around.

Reality and the realm of possibility. And I know some people might think, oh, you want me to like, lower my ambition, lessen my goals, reduce what I want in life? No. No, I'm not saying that. But what I am saying is you'd be amazed at how much faster you can progress towards your goals and how much more you'll [00:13:00] enjoy that process when you are doing it within the realm of your humanity and your, and respecting your limits.

That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to say you can't achieve X. I'm trying to say you could probably achieve this, but you might need more time, or you might need a coach, or you might need a therapist, or you might need a friend group, or you might need an accountability buddy or. I'm trying to say that the version that you might have around some of your goals might be the perfect version that doesn't exist.

And what would serve you is finding a version that respects your limits, honors your humanity, and works within what you have available to you rather than constantly trying to create circumstances that are exhausting you because they're not attainable or they're, they're in the realm of perfectionism, which doesn't exist.

So. This looks like a lot of adjusting expectations and changing what you plan to achieve or extending timelines. You know, [00:14:00] I look at my week, month, and quarter ahead. That's three months, and I try to determine like what's going on there and decide like, oh, is that the perfect version of this? Or is that the version that respects my humanity and my limits?

And that alone helps me to make sure that I'm not constantly writing down the perfect, and I do it, I have to do it every week. And it's, I know it's annoying to have to revisit, but when you're on social media, more often, than not, you're seeing versions of things. You know, you're seeing the ultimate version of fitness from a fitness influencer.

You're seeing the ultimate version of a house from an interior designer. You're seeing the ultimate version of an organized pantry from a professional organizer. And you're forgetting that these people, like that one slice that you're seeing of their life is their job, and they're spending most of their time, money, and energy attaining that.

And then you see all those things within a 62nd timeframe 'cause you're scrolling and then you go, oh my God, I need that, that, that, [00:15:00] that, that. Without even considering that these people, like that's their skill. That's where they invest all their time and money into being really good at it. They spend all day doing that 'cause that's their job.

And you're forgetting that, like that's not realistic for you to do every single one of those things at that level. And so having this mindset of like perfectionism being perfect, it's literally impossible. Hopefully helps you to scale back and go Okay. I want X, Y, and Z, but maybe I'll organize my pantry when I'm not also trying to figure out how to work out consistently.

And maybe I will, , redecorate my bedroom when I'm not trying to, um, get my finances in order and pay down a credit card. Right? It's like, I'm not saying you can't do X, Y, and Z, but it's like. Please don't kill yourself trying to do every single one of these things at the same time. When people join my coaching program, they're super pumped and excited and they will go through my four Bs of Selfcare and they're like, this is how I'm gonna do my sleep.

I'm gonna sleep eight hours a [00:16:00] night. I'm gonna go to bed at 10, I'm gonna wake up at six. When I wake up at six, I'm gonna work up for an hour and then I'm gonna have an everything shower. And then I'm gonna eat super healthy 'cause I'm gonna meal prep. All on Sunday, I'm gonna grocery shop for my meal prep on Saturday, and I'm gonna make my meal plan on Friday, and then I'm gonna bond with my kids and I'm gonna take them to the park and I'm gonna do this, and then I'm gonna learn guitar, and then I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna hang out with my friends.

And they have a huge, perfect goal for every type of self-care, and they wanna do it now. And half the time, I'm like, okay, let's identify what you most need. Let's find one to two basic self-care that you're gonna practice, and let's find the most doable, smallest version of that. And we'll work on that for one to three months until it feels automatic, until it feels habitual, and so you don't have to think about it.

And then we're gonna work on one boring self-care task per month. And when that becomes doable, we're gonna move up to one per week. You see what I'm saying? Nobody likes to go this slow, but after a year of going through this, they like about halfway through [00:17:00] that process, they start to see, oh my God, slow and steady actually does win the race.

Slow and steady actually makes the process more enjoyable, slow and steady actually makes sure that I'm making progress rather than starting, stopping, failing, feeling ashamed, starting, stopping, failing, feeling ashamed. And on it goes. So it's really liberating and empowering actually to let go of this perfectionism impossible standard, and to recognize that your ambition can live and succeed within the realm of possibility, within the realm of respecting your humanity and your limits.

Okay. So try to give yourself permission to adjust your expectations based on what's going on in your life and to allow yourself to just have some good enough goals. Like in every season, you can't pursue excellence in every category of your life. Like I really think that we have to decide. What our top one to three priorities are for a whole year, and then work around that.

Everything else needs to [00:18:00] just be mediocre, to be honest with you. And we need to stop thinking that that makes us bad or, uh, makes us failures. The only thing that feels like failure is actually trying to go after the the perfect version of every single thing and then constantly coming up short.

Remember that good enough is still good. Like you can have a good enough workout routine, eat good enough, sleep, good enough, parent good enough, go to work and be good enough, and it's still good. You're still living a good life, doing good things, making good things happen, and it's still good. The lie that you have to be perfect in order to be loved and cared for and enough is a lie, and it only causes you to burn out and get sick and feel bad about yourself.

Something that has really helped me is realizing that, that if your best leads to burnout, it wasn't your best. It was an overextension of yourself. It was never meant to happen, and it [00:19:00] was a sign from your body that you went too far. And too often I see others and myself push ourselves beyond our best into burnout.

Because we think that's what success looks like. And in reality, I think that's failure because if you're hurting your body in order to achieve a result then that's not your best. That's burnout. And I think about this even when I think of athletes who push themselves to the limit, but do you see them pushing themselves to the point where, I mean, some people do, they push themselves to the point of severe injury and then they have to retire early from their sport.

They can never compete again. They can never go on the global stages that they yearned for since they were children. They can never even have an opportunity to compete for a medal or whatever it is that they want because they push themselves so hard that they injure themselves. And that's how I wanna think about myself and how I encourage you to think about yourself.

We see athletes on a global stage doing incredible work, pushing themselves really hard and really far, but not to the [00:20:00] point of injury. They have rest and they have to take rest and recovery very seriously. And I think that you and I need to think of ourselves in that way and not think, oh, like my best is this version where I'm pushing myself past the brink of my sanity every single day.

And then I wonder why I'm burned out sick, resentful, and on the brink of a breaking point. I don't think that that's healthy. I don't think that that's your best. I think that's I think that is irresponsible. I think it's. I, I think it's trying to achieve perfection. Um, and look at how these athletes who who are striving to be the best that they can be, are not hurting themselves in the process.

The ones who make it obviously, and then the ones who injure themselves from being pushed too hard, you know, end up not being able to compete or end up burning out and retiring early. So I think there's a lot to be learned from that. And then the last tip I wanted to give you to help you overcome perfectionism is to remember that you only have one pie.

What do I mean by this? [00:21:00] So if you had to write down every single thing that you do, including sleeping, taking a shower, taking the kids to school, making dinner, unloading the dishwasher, like household chores, laundry, work. Okay. And you assigned an actual like. Appropriate amount of time to each one of those tasks.

And then you ask like you, like if you're a nerd like me and you use a spreadsheet, you put this in a spreadsheet so that it creates a pie chart. You'll see that your life is in the shape of a pie and there's different slices. There's only a hundred percent of that pie. You can't make the pie have, you can't have two pies because you have more to do.

Unfortunately, that's not how life works. So when you realize that you only have one pie. It is a really healthy reminder that if something big comes in and has to take up a portion of your pie, then that means that other things need to reduce or completely, decrease the lead or delegate. Some things need to be decreased, [00:22:00] some things need to be delegated off to somebody else.

So some things need to be completely deleted because you only have one pie. And the mistake that I've made a lot in the past and that I've seen my clients make is. Acting like they can just create another pie out of thin air because all of a sudden they wanna train for a marathon while also looking for a job, while also moving countries, while also dealing with a toddler like you name it.

You don't get another pie in this life. Every one of us gets 24 hours in a day, seven days in a week, 30 days in a month, 12 months in a year. And what I find with a lot of perfectionists is that we overestimate what we can get done in a week and we underestimate what we can get done in a year. So let's say you wanna train for a marathon and you wanna move to a new country and you wanna find a new job, but instead of trying to do that in one month or even in three months, what if you tried to do it in 12 months?

What does that plan look like and how can that plan, um, respect the pie that you have? The pie that also does school drop off and makes dinner and has work to do and colleagues [00:23:00] to fulfill responsibilities for and a boss and health goals. And you need to exercise. You need to shower, you need to get dressed and pull yourself together every day.

Can you def decide how to pursue those other goals that are gonna stretch you, that are gonna push you, while also respecting that a lot of your pie is already carved up for a lot of other people and things, and so it's really important to remember this because. I think, especially when I was younger and had a lot more energy, like I achieved a lot of things in a short amount of time, but it did lead to some severe burnout.

Um, I had to take six months of leave off of work at one point in my career. And I'm just never gonna do that again. Never gonna put myself through that. But I have to be very careful and recognizing and remembering that I only have one pie is a really great visual for me. And sometimes this goes beyond the visual.

Like I actually have to do math and go, okay. There's 24 hours in a day. I spend this much time exercising and showering this much time making meals, this much time doing laundry, this much time [00:24:00] driving kids to school. What do I need to do here? What do I need to adjust here to respect the fact that I now wanna post on my podcast twice a month?

Respect the fact that I now wanna see a friend every other week, like have a coffee date with somebody, and how do, what do I need to decrease to lead or delegate in order to. Honor the one pie that I have. And when I actually assign values to this time, values, I mean, so like, um, time blocking is something I really love to do.

Like I love to, I tend to overestimate what I can do in a weekend, and then I get overwhelmed. And so something that's really important to me is I'll like write down the things I wanna do and be like, okay, well realistically I wanna sleep in, so I'm not gonna get up until eight. That's sleeping in for a mom.

That's so telling. I don't wanna get up till eight. So six. I wanna do a longer workout. So I'm probably gonna work out from 10 to 11 and when I like block out like how long everything takes, I wanna take an everything shower. 'cause it's Saturday, so it's gonna take this long. Right. Then you're like, okay.

This, this, and this then cannot [00:25:00] happen on Saturday. I'm gonna move it to Sunday, or I'm gonna move it to next week, right? And that actually reduces my anxiety quite a lot because it forces me to be realistic again, working with the pie, working with the day that I have the hours I have to actually figure out like what is realistically possible within this timeframe.

And it gives me such peace of mind 'cause it knows that the thing that I really wanna do, that I might not be able to fit in this weekend. It's gonna happen just not this weekend. I'm gonna make it happen and I'll plug it in my schedule for next weekend. So it like tends to this anxious part of me that's like, I feel like I can never do the things I wanna do.

There's not enough times, there's not enough energy, there is, but you just need to spread it out remember that you only have one pie. Literally do the math and, uh, and force yourself to, um, define how long things take to divvy up your your desires, your goals, your responsibilities, your tasks within the timeframe that you have, respecting your limits and your capacity, and spread things out.

Let things take longer so that you can actually be present in your life and enjoy the process [00:26:00] rather than feeling like you're hustling through your day. Running, running, running, trying to get everything done, and then eventually you will burn out and feel like, oh, no matter how water I try, I just can't.

I'm a failure. I can't seem to get anything done. When in reality you set yourself up for failure by striving for perfectionism, which does not exist. All right. That's what I have for you today. I hope that could give you some ideas for combating perfectionism in your own life. Again, this is a key thing to figure out to be sustainable with your self-care.

'cause that all or nothing perfectionistic attitude will really have you quit your workout because you don't have 45 minutes when in reality you could have gotten a great. 15 minute workout in and showed up for yourself anyway, it's that all or nothing mentality that tells you that unless it's perfect, you can't do it at all.

And that really keeps you living your life on the margins. It keeps you from enjoying and making the most of what you have. I know it's cheesy, but tomorrow is not guaranteed. And I would hate for perfectionism [00:27:00] to continue stealing your today from you and the joy and the progress and the gains that you could be making today because you are.

Fighting for the impossible. You deserve to live a life where you can make steady progress towards your goals and your dreams without burning yourself out and without pushing yourself to the brink of a burnout. All right. That's all I have for you today.

Remember that on April 4th I'm teaching my free one hour workshop on the weekly wellness check-in.

It's an incredible journaling practice. Definitely come to learn about it and I know you're not gonna watch the replay. So yes, you can sign up and I will send you the replay, but I recommend you come live. 'cause then. We do journal live together. And that is one of the powerful things about it is you have that accountability of journaling with other people, and you're not gonna be able to have the realizations and the aha moments and the, oh my gosh, I never thought of that before, unless you actually do the journaling.

So if you come live, you have the benefit of accountability of doing this with other people and of [00:28:00] actually applying what you're hearing me talk about so that you can actually walk away with some learnings and insights for yourself. And then lastly, Sunday, April 5th, enrollment opens officially for the no longer last journey coaching program, and the special discount on bonus are available during that week only.

Thank you again, I really appreciate you spending time with me, and I'm excited to see you next time and maybe at the workshop or in my coaching program. All right. Bye.